[Accueil][D&D 5e] English Campaign - A new beginning

When we're... apart from the others, I ask if Mattiston is well with this.

- I want you to keep this swashbuckler head of yours on your shoulder, Nephew! I know this guy's story touches you where it hurts but... well, you know, he tried to kill us for hours and hours!

I ask him his feelings and share him mine: I'm ready to join this guy in his revenge as long as he pays well and we get away at last. But we have to stay aware that maybe he's fooling us. And then, we'll need to ask ourselves on what side do we want to be...

As I was contacted by Montegomery for this job, it seems natural that I should lead the party back to him with the "restored" goods. And try to enter at his service to know from the inside what's going on and what kind of game is he playing.
Will Mattiston join me, so we can make light in this together? And, if others out there want to join, if they aren't known from Montegomery, they could investigate this story from the outside? Maybe one of them has got connection with the guild of thieves? Does Mattiston knows any of that?

As our conversation grow, I feel some heat inside of me growing and growing... This is our start. This is where our lives turn. This is the way to Lantan, I can feel it!

I see that at least some among us have more wits that Sir Waterworks over here. I don't want anything to do with all this nonesens, but a debt is a debt. I feel like our two "employers" just want to meet face to face. Why won't we arrange that and be done with it? Who's in?

For me the most direct route out of this would go as following:

- We have to report to Montgomery (M), which means that we will be admitted in his presence
- I think we can arrange a meeting between M and R since they want to meet anyway:

R wants an opportunity to kill M.
M wants to know who is behind all this and we can lead him to R

If played right all terms of the agreements with both of them can be respected

- If diplomacy fails we still have a shot at bagging M's head and GTFO

My character wouldn't care for consequences of this and must be persuaded if you want him to go with another plan which must include followig things:
- stay true to a given word
- resume artifact hunting

Edwin wispers to Jori :
Let's talk about this on the road back to Baldur's Gate, walls may have ears over here. I have a plan.

Lagaffe212 a écrit:

Edwin wispers to Jori :
Let's talk about this on the road back to Baldur's Gate, walls may have ears over here. I have a plan.

Well, the walking hand will still be with us on the road to Baldur's Gate

Akanon a écrit:

Lagaffe212 a écrit:

Edwin wispers to Jori :
Let's talk about this on the road back to Baldur's Gate, walls may have ears over here. I have a plan.

Well, the walking hand will still be with us on the road to Baldur's Gate

Edwin wispers : I dont think that Jacop, the hand, is the problem.

”Trust me uncle, I might be a man of passion, I am no fool; I’ve thought this through. I could feel the man’s sincerity and I recognized accents in his voice that prove his sincerity.[This is only my Flaw speaking here ^^] But the man is blinded by his anger, and I don’t intend to let it burn our guild down. Our only opportunity to thrive here is to grow our fame: we must make light on it so we appear are talented bringer of truth, and not just weathercocks that go with the higher payer. The second would bring a bad reputation on us where the first will bring honest clients with no skeletons in the backyard they ask us to take care of. Therefore we have no choice but to check Crest’s story and take a decisive step once we are sure of the side to take.”
As we discuss about the investigation of the story from the outside, I speak highly of Edwin and praise his skills [totally unaware of his feelings towards me ^o^]. I also share my intent to gather information from my side, by meeting with my actual sword teacher and Sword (=captain) of Baldur’s Watch: Lenta Moore. She might have heard about the story of Creist’s arrest, imprisonment and death.

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@Everyone, characters aside, from real person to real persons: I don’t really get now what would be the narrative reason for splitting the group like this, what would be mission 1 and mission 2? It is not clear to me and so it is hard to put some RP reason to send a group with Jori (where?), and stuff. How do we organize?

With this in mind I’ll add some RP explaining Jori why it is important not to bust everything. Basically I’ll explain Jori (and whoever wants to hear it, but he’s 2nd team leader and I guess I’m a bit used to his ways now so that makes sense I talk to him) that: ”our reputation (personal and the guild’s one as they’re closely linked) depends on our way of managing things, and that if we want the fame —and the related “ancient artifacts” info that come altogether— to keep flowing, we must be careful not to take actions that would stain it and preclude any further opportunity of any job different that mere thugging and low paid jobs (the only kind that known traitors can hope for).” Jori is supposed to care for these 2 things: his fame and the chance to hear about various ancient artifacts. So I’m willing to believe he’ll go with the “expose the truth” course of action. ^^

I think the differenses in our points of view can justify splitting the group. However we are not really splitting according to opinions.

Let's say all of this happens on our way back. When you try to speak to Jori he is defiant and quite agressive. The points exposed are:
- Matison is in no position to patronize Jori
- So far we spent our time waiting to hear about ancient artifacts and have not taken a real action
- He doesn't see how this revenge story is related to the guild purpose, and thus he doesn't think that any reputation that will come out of that will be of use
- He definitely doesn't want the guild to turn into a peasant rescue service (that's a bacground thing about not helping those who can't help themselves. It's the flaw I beleive but I don't have the sheet here)
- He thinks the Mattison looked quite fond of the idea of doing the dirty work of an undead scumbag
- If Matison wants to dig the dirt he is free to do so. Jori means to get out of it as soon as possible

The argument gets heated (at least on my side) and it doesn't fell like Jori isn't listening to Matison. Also, Sir Waterworks has become your official nickname.

KamiSeiTo a écrit:

[i]@Everyone, characters aside, from real person to real persons: I don’t really get now what would be the narrative reason for splitting the group like this, what would be mission 1 and mission 2? It is not clear to me and so it is hard to put some RP reason to send a group with Jori (where?), and stuff. How do we organize?

Let me see if i can help you guys with this...

Criest have suggested two options (weaken the power of Montgomery and get the evidence you asked from him), but you have TOTAL freedom to ignore them and create yourself "tasks" for both groups, or even ignore everything, return the box and move forward seeking fame, money and artifacts...

The way i'll try to drive the two tables is that the two groups have the same "time" to complete the assigned tasks... At first I'm thinking of a maximum of 5 days... Everything will be happening at the same time in these 5 days... But it depends on what your plans... For example if you let them both kill themselves I'll follow with the rest of the adventure, and then LATER ON the consequences will follow you guys

This time, to facilitate and help, i recommend that the plan discussion is done "out of character"! Is much easier to tackle the problem in this way, and having decided, we can go back to the roles to say what everyone will do...

Another option that i just had would be that, as we have done in the search for information, or on trips, each one say what will do during these five days (gather info, smack some robbers, search for another jobs to do etc etc). And if for example two players of the same "game group day" are doing the same thing, they do it together. Otherwise they will be "individual scenes" of each of the players (as I did with zgryble x ghoul ... while you were with the zumbies) ... ...

I would be "a bit" more complicated for me as DM, but MAYBE would greatly facilitate the life of you as players ...

What you guys think??

KamiSeiTo a écrit:

”Trust me uncle, (...) and take a decisive step once we are sure of the side to take.”

I'm proud of this kid, really. Our task is well within his hands. I tap him on the leg, meaning all the good I think of him (one of my trait: "I dislike small talk"... Trying hard to play that, I swear ).

KamiSeiTo a écrit:

I also share my intent to gather information from my side, by meeting with my actual sword teacher and Sword (=captain) of Baldur’s Watch: Lenta Moore. She might have heard about the story of Creist’s arrest, imprisonment and death.

Fine then, I'll lead the "inner" group and Mattiston will go from the outside. Nice enough.

KamiSeiTo a écrit:

@Everyone, characters aside, from real person to real persons: I don’t really get now what would be the narrative reason for splitting the group like this, what would be mission 1 and mission 2? It is not clear to me and so it is hard to put some RP reason to send a group with Jori (where?), and stuff. How do we organize?

With this in mind I’ll add some RP explaining Jori why it is important not to bust everything. Basically I’ll explain Jori (and whoever wants to hear it, but he’s 2nd team leader and I guess I’m a bit used to his ways now so that makes sense I talk to him) that: ”our reputation (personal and the guild’s one as they’re closely linked) depends on our way of managing things, and that if we want the fame —and the related “ancient artifacts” info that come altogether— to keep flowing, we must be careful not to take actions that would stain it and preclude any further opportunity of any job different that mere thugging and low paid jobs (the only kind that known traitors can hope for).” Jori is supposed to care for these 2 things: his fame and the chance to hear about various ancient artifacts. So I’m willing to believe he’ll go with the “expose the truth” course of action. ^^

It was my intent with the "as he knows me, I'll do the Inside job" thing.

The only reason I see that could have the group divided is this "Inside/outside" repartition or a break between the guys that accept to follow Creist in his vengeance and the guys who don't. But everyone want to go with the guy and, if Mattiston want to go "outside" (which is relevant considered his links with the guard, etc.), it makes things difficult (I really don't see Zgryble not reporting to Montegomery and asking to join his services...).

Seems to be GM's job now

mister23 a écrit:

This time, to facilitate and help, i recommend that the plan discussion is done "out of character"! Is much easier to tackle the problem in this way, and having decided, we can go back to the roles to say what everyone will do...

Agreed. So I want to pit them one against another. It would be a one session deal, wether it succeeds or fails.

I beleive that this is not what Kami and Fel want to do. Their intent is not entirely clear to me.

Also, we need more opinions.

mister23 a écrit:

For example if you let them both kill themselves I'll follow with the rest of the adventure, and then LATER ON the consequences will follow you guys  

Well, yeah, screwing PCs is half of the DM job. I'm not afraid because i'm

Sorry Akanon, but as a player I have a problem with your proposal.
I don’t see how any of this can go well.
Think of it in any real life situation: I’m your employer so it’s not patronizing and if you’ve got problem with the company’s direction then it’s just “OK, then get out of my guild”, I pay you when we’re back and we never see each other again. Even you, why would you want to stay in that guild in that case? You make Jori act like an loner with no sense of social convention.
If it plays like this, the only thing happening is that either you split from the guild or we fight and probably one of us ends dead. there’s no way I let someone speak to me like that.
I’d like you to rethink what I (maybe falsely) perceive as a too much asocial character (problem with authority, I know people like that in real life: my sister and she changed job regularly (every 5 months, always ending in fights) and now lives being her own boss; and one of my closest friend, he’s also unable to have a boss or work with teams so he’s now taking a formation to also work with his hands being his own boss).
But I suggest we discuss this via Lync.

Edit: Akanon you just posted, I referred to your previous post, the Today 10:25 one.

KamiSeiTo a écrit:

Sorry Akanon, but as a player I have a problem with your proposal.
I don’t see how any of this can go well.

I think it can't. The character concept doesn't fit with the current story arc.

KamiSeiTo a écrit:

Think of it in any real life situation: I’m your employer so it’s not patronizing and if you’ve got problem with the company’s direction then it’s just “OK, then get out of my guild”, I pay you when we’re back and we never see each other again. Even you, why would you want to stay in that guild in that case? You make Jori act like an loner with no sense of social convention.

Then this is what happens. I have no problem with NPCing Jori.

KamiSeiTo a écrit:

If it plays like this, the only thing happening is that either you split from the guild or we fight and probably one of us ends dead. there’s no way I let someone speak to me like that.

We wanted to do this fight. We can do this for the drama. We don't have to go lethal: the point is to know who wins and who loses.

I see... I'm fine with it if you're fine with it but I really really really don't want to take the fun out of you either. It would be the same situation backward and I don't want to impose on you what I don't want to be imposed on.
é_è
P.S: looking at yoru character, I think you'd win, by the way. ^^" But Mattiston is pretty sure he would win. :Þ

KamiSeiTo a écrit:

I see... I'm fine with it if you're fine with it but I really really really don't want to take the fun out of you either. It would be the same situation backward and I don't want to impose on you what I don't want to be imposed on.
é_è
P.S: looking at yoru character, I think you'd win, by the way. ^^" But Mattiston is pretty sure he would win. :Þ

Jori being Jori, he won't engage with the story as it is. I won't have any fun playing him unless the story changes. So this is the way to go.

[Time-in]
Edwin : Alrigth guys, keep calm.

I'm pretty sure we can make everyone happy. They migth be more at stake that you guys currently see.
If we play this well, they will be plenty of gold, honor and information to share. If we are lucky, there will maybe be some artifacts, or at least, information about them.

Just give me some time to think about it, and fugure it out.

[Time-out]

About the party split, what we mitgh want to do is to play sequencially. The first group play the first 5 days, and the next one the 5 following.

It migth be a lot easier to DM, and would allow me to lead the investigation in both group if I'm allowed to

@Lagaffe: don't reply time in on what has only be discussed time out.

@Akanon: maybe let's see what Mister23 can say about it??

KamiSeiTo a écrit:

@Lagaffe: don't reply time in on what has only be discussed time out.

That seemed sooo time in

Akanon a écrit:

Jori being Jori, he won't engage with the story as it is. I won't have any fun playing him unless the story changes. So this is the way to go.

A: the artefacts are there just waiting for some one to look for them KKK and trust me the main story hasn't began yet... this part is the introduction of the world and the characters...

One other thing that Jori might remember, the world is huge and dangerous he'll need allies to help him on his search... Otherwise he'll fail in his quest...

;D as the DM if you want to change him, or to create a new character I already have on my mind how to use Jori in my story arc... The most important thing to me as to provide you guys as much fun as I can... Again, the artifacts seeking part has been planned, and we are getting there... And Jori can "start the car while everyone is picking up the luggage's"... And that's why I have said that not everyone have to follow the plan...

In other words, there are a lot of people now in baldur's gate because of the celebrations, from all over the world, so this is the perfect time to find jobs or rumors... I'm pretty sure someone is looking for heroes

Sorry for the spam but @Edwin:

I feel like it's more complicated to explain it here, but let us boil it to the basics:

For reasons Jori will engage in a behaviour that will be detrimental to the group

I could have decided otherwise, but given the current input I feel that this is the thing he would do.

I'm cool with that, but you are likely not. That's why NPCing the character can be an appropriate move here.

As a player I don't particularly care about losing a charcter (especially in d&d). I care more about not spoiling everyone's fun. Building another character is easy and I can figure out something more fitting.

Now, this is possible to not go into this space. I won't change my mind on my own. I will not let Matison change it: he clearly does not understand how Jori works.

If someone wishes to interject and is capable of supplying proper arguments he/she can try. This is a narrative choice: if you think your character will do this, then go ahead. You can try and stop the argument. Bear in mind you might not succeed.

In any case it's still a cool story - at least so I think.

Cool. ^^
If you're cool with it I'm cool with it, then. n_n

We can even have this not-to-death fight. ^o^

Akanon a écrit:

I could have decided otherwise, but given the current input I feel that this is the thing he would do.

A: if we were in game, I would give you a inspiration for the role play right now!

Akanon a écrit:

I'm cool with that, but you are likely not. That's why NPCing the character can be an appropriate move here.

A: Me? In almost every table i have played there was always a conflict between players, and this was always one of the highlights... For me everything is perfect! And what I have just said to you goes to anyone else... If you think that something is wrong with your character and you want to change it, PM me please...

Akanon a écrit:

If someone wishes to interject and is capable of supplying proper arguments he/she can try. This is a narrative choice: if you think your character will do this, then go ahead. You can try and stop the argument. Bear in mind you might not succeed.

A OFF GAME DICE ROLLING... BEGIN!!!!

Akanon a écrit:

In any case it's still a cool story - at least so I think.

A: hell yes it's... In every book that I have read on fantasy the conflict between characters were presented as well... And this is just the beginning of a great conflict/history...

Edwin : Come with me outside Jori. We both need fresh air, and to talk.

(do you prefer to continue here, or in PM?)
(well maybe here because of the dice rolling :p)
(I'll be home at 18h30 aprox to continue this, if you want)

Lagaffe212 a écrit:

(do you prefer to continue here, or in PM?)

A: If you "talk" please do it here, unless you to go to other room or walking ahead/behind... But if you use your skills please PM...