[Accueil][D&D 5e] English Campaign - A new beginning

Few things:
- This have to happen somewhere between Matison's speech about reputation and the part where we come to blows
- You can't persuade me with a roll or a spell
- You can roll for info, as your character might be better at reading a person than you are
- Zgryble knows that I am looking for an axe and has some details. Matison can know this if he cares enough.

mister23 a écrit:

Lagaffe212 a écrit:

(do you prefer to continue here, or in PM?)

A: If you "talk" please do it here, unless you to go to other room or walking ahead/behind... But if you use your skills please PM...

We need a private discussion, outside or in a separate room

OK ! Then I propose this happened:

Akanon a écrit:

I think the differenses in our points of view can justify splitting the group. However we are not really splitting according to opinions.

Let's say all of this happens on our way back. When you try to speak to Jori he is defiant and quite agressive. The points exposed are:
- Matison is in no position to patronize Jori
- So far we spent our time waiting to hear about ancient artifacts and have not taken a real action
- He doesn't see how this revenge story is related to the guild purpose, and thus he doesn't think that any reputation that will come out of that will be of use
- He definitely doesn't want the guild to turn into a peasant rescue service (that's a bacground thing about not helping those who can't help themselves. It's the flaw I beleive but I don't have the sheet here)
- He thinks the Mattison looked quite fond of the idea of doing the dirty work of an undead scumbag
- If Matison wants to dig the dirt he is free to do so. Jori means to get out of it as soon as possible

The argument gets heated (at least on my side) and it doesn't fell like Jori isn't listening to Matison. Also, Sir Waterworks has become your official nickname.

Indeed it gets heated as Mattiston don't let Jori insult him, and they're about to draw weapons when Edwin stop them to ask Jori a chat in private.

I'm personally in favour of having the content of your discussion here, so as 'KamiSeiTo the spectator' I can enjoy it while Mattiston is unaware of it. n_n

It feels a little too late.

Let's start at the end of Matisons speech where Jori turns red. I think most are insightful enough to understand what will happen.

(we could also start after the fight, but not just before)

@Edwin: and what do YOU want?

OK with your proposition, Akanon ! ^^
It would also explain Zgryble asks me to chat in private while Edwin does the same on your side.

OK guys... One afternoon without computer and this is what I find?

If I get that well:

- You're about to go back into "in-game" time? (Mister asked us to play it outside but thinks went a bit off the road since )

- Nobody (including Zgryble) can answer before Jori and Edwin go apart for their chat?

Akanon a écrit:

- Zgryble knows that I am looking for an axe and has some details. Matison can know this if he cares enough.

But he also knows that you swore to follow the Guild, so...

Akanon a écrit:

- You can't persuade me with a roll or a spell

... if you want to stay in the guild and the guild decide to go that way, you have to. Or leave the guild. Kami was clear and right about that

Zgryble was clear before enlisting you (even with the thankfulness for saving Mattiston and Zgryble asses and all) that you were engaging in a Guild, an organization with rules, that you couldn't do as you want if you wanted to stay - and, in return, that the guild would actively search this axe of yours

Alritgh, sorry, I missed the part where we where already on our way back.

So indeed, I'm preventing Jori to figth with Matt.


Edwin : Jori!

Jori : And what do YOU want?

Edwin :  We need to talk, We need to since we left the mannor. And obviously this cannot wait any longer : I want to share some information with you that may change your mind. We have a great opportunity to seize here. But we will need all availlable ressources. And especially you Jori.

(As KamiSeiTo : )

Gimme some, Matti!

Felondra a écrit:

- Nobody (including Zgryble) can answer before Jori and Edwin go apart for their chat?

Well, you can do it now

Felondra a écrit:

Zgryble was clear before enlisting you (even with the thankfulness for saving Mattiston and Zgryble asses and all) that you were engaging in a Guild, an organization with rules, that you couldn't do as you want if you wanted to stay - and, in return, that the guild would actively search this axe of yours

Well, you are not doing it right now, not even planning on it. So I don't see why I have to uphold my part of the bargain

Felondra a écrit:

Or leave the guild. Kami was clear and right about that

I'm about to (and kick Matison's arse again), but Edwin has something to object

Edwin a écrit:

We need to talk, We need to since we left the mannor. And obviously this cannot wait any longer : I want to share some information with you that may change your mind. We have a great opportunity to seize here. But we will need all availlable ressources. And especially you Jori.

Oh do you? What possibly do you want to share with me? If it's about teachning me that if we serve that undead scumbag faithfully we'll gain good reputation that will allow us to maybe eventually hear about what I am looking for you can go to hell. Sir Waterworks over here just did and I am about to explain why I am not interested

I bring Jori a bit apart for the other, and I tell him quitely :

Listen carefully.

C Mort Criest is definetely not a necromancer, priest or magician. And taming undead is not something you do without magic.
I had a private 'talk' with him, and I do supect him to use powerfulls artifacts to do so. And he stole those artefacts from Montgomery's caravanes.
Montgomery not only trade common goods ("spice"?), but most probably rare magical artifacts.

I'm not following Mattiston in his quest for truth or reputation. Truth is an illusion, and reputations are made and broken overnigth.
But I'm going to investigate Montgomery's case. If we can bring him down, his gold, goods, artifacts and secrets will be at hand.
This is a high risk high reward move. We wont succeed alone.

If Montgomery is indeed involved in artifacts trading, he must have ongoing investigations to find new ones.

You can't bring Jori apart yet but you can say it low enough so I could be the only one to hear. Anyone can see that you said something and got my attention. I will speak lower as well.

If by bringing him down you mean slaughter him and pillage his place I'm not fond of the idea. Still, what do you want investigate about that? We can just walk in and do it. We might actually be forced to.

Wake up dummy. You don't have to side with either of those guys. Why do you care about their quarel? You seem so eager to paint this as "you against us" situation.

Well, let me tell you something. If you want to work with me, go ahead. You will have to give me more that "I have a big plan, do as I say". I heard that before. This is all bullshit.

If you don't, stay out of my way and all will be swell. Mess with me and I will mess your face.

Besides, how are you better than Montgomery? You just said "here's the men that has all I want. Let's mess his life and take everything from him without letting my employer know". I know what kind of scumbag he is. And what kind of scumbag are you?

Akanon a écrit:

Felondra a écrit:

Zgryble was clear before enlisting you (even with the thankfulness for saving Mattiston and Zgryble asses and all) that you were engaging in a Guild, an organization with rules, that you couldn't do as you want if you wanted to stay - and, in return, that the guild would actively search this axe of yours

Well, you are not doing it right now, not even planning on it. So I don't see why I have to uphold my part of the bargain

You act like this was the start of our Guild. In my vision of it, this guild already was rolling for some time so yes, we searched for your axe, you saw Mattiston and I do active search for it cause you were part of the guild and it's important for us both to meet our member's goals (as long as the Lantan expedition for the Peace isn't in contradiction with those interests - in your case it ain't because by searching for this axe we fill our guild's chest).


What I find wierd is, as I read you, you seem to be willing to act against the other players. I don't speak about your character here but about you as a player.
When Lagaffe says he wants to speak with Jori outside, you agree. Then, when he says Edwin brings Jori apart from the others, you say "you can't bring Jori apart". It's wierd for me cause:
1) It would be more logical to isolate you from the hand and the others to speak
2) It gives me the impression that you don't want to let go any little tiny part of your character decisions. I think it would be better to just let the others interact with you without blocking it in every way you can. I sometimes speak for Mattiston, he speaks for me, we say the group do one thing or another and it's ok cause it serves the fiction and it ain't that important to say how many steps your character make before speaking.

And, again, you act as if it was your first mission with the guild. We (including you) specified in the background we (including you) wrote that our characters know each others and have been along with one another for a long time now. So why being so rude in not following the indications the "tactic-leader" of the guild gives, calling him names cause he cried (which he probably has already done numerous of times in the past seeing his personnality), etc.

Really, I see less and less how Zgryble and Mattiston can not have fired Jori already if he acts like that:
1° He ain't of much use in combat if he constantly hop and do what he wants, including not rescuing his partners;
2° He ain't of much use for social contact if he constantly do what he wants, including not following the instructions the guy in charge gives;
3° He ain't of much sympathy for the group if he mocks his partners and raise fingers at the guild principles (we're the Guild of the Peace-Bringing Swashbucklers, our name says a lot about the philosophy of the group).



When I started RPG, I played D&D and found wierd that people were always getting along, always agreed on anything, etc. I've got nothing against conflict between characters.
But one thing I hold important is the consistency of the story and the characters. I prefer that: if a character doesn't agree with a thing some other character does, I highly prefer him to do something about it than just agree for the sake of the group (and the fact that, as players at a table, we should have to "get along" and live a story together, which is false in my opinion). But I don't see the consistency of Jori no more. He didn't just met Mattiston and Zgryble, he has a history with them, he has to get along them in a way. And I don't see any way it is possible with what you propose now.

Can you light my candle?

Akanon a écrit:

Wake up dummy. You don't have to side with either of those guys. Why do you care about their quarel? You seem so eager to paint this as "you against us" situation.

Well, let me tell you something. If you want to work with me, go ahead. You will have to give me more that "I have a big plan, do as I say". I heard that before. This is all bullshit.

If you don't, stay out of my way and all will be swell. Mess with me and I will mess your face.

Besides, how are you better than Montgomery? You just said "here's the men that has all I want. Let's mess his life and take everything from him without letting my employer know". I know what kind of scumbag he is. And what kind of scumbag are you?

I hadn't seen this message when I posted but it confirm what I say previously.

"You don't have to side with either of those guys". Does that mean you consider yourself not part of this guild anymore?

I consider you ain't murmurring no more considering what you say. Or at least you attract attention, not going outside and speaking that long. So, if you agree, we can consider Zgryble heard those words and ask you this question in an iron-cold voice.

- Does that mean you consider yourself not part of this guild anymore?

Sorry, no flamewars over forum for me. We said we are doing this thing, so let's do it to the end.

Speaking of wich, just to keep track of things: Lagaffe, the point of this conversation is for me to figure out what kind of person Edwin is (by taunting him of course) and what's his actual plan.

So far you look like a shady charcter who don't intend to give anything concrete. But your points about needing allies and the value of working on montgomery's case got through.

Feel free to stop the conversation at any point if you feel like it or just sum up your points if you'd rather do it out of character.

This scene is for Edwin and me alone. I intend to open another one after that for everyone to participate in.

Akanon a écrit:

Speaking of wich, just to keep track of things: Lagaffe, the point of this conversation is for me to figure out what kind of person Edwin is (by taunting him of course) and what's his actual plan.

You almost got Edwin to reveal unpleasant pieces of his plan Well played !
At least, you know now what he is up to.

Still here guys ( )

The tone of the conversation has subtely changed. Jori stares at you intensely.

The guild? You mean those people who went by to sign a piece of paper "you are in, let's go"? What are they to you? Do you even know them? And how the well-being of Bladur's Gate comes suddenly into play?